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The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times opinion podcast where Ezra Klein holds long, careful conversations on politics, ideas, and the mind.

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The Ezra Klein Show

Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far | The Ezra Klein Show

Ezra Klein interviews Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang at Nvidia's Santa Clara headquarters, walking down Huang's five layer cake of AI from applications to energy. Huang argues AI automates tasks but not the purpose of jobs, that human ambition guarantees net job creation, and that open weight models are vital. The core of the episode is a combative debate over the OpenAI agent hack of Hugging Face, which Huang treats as a containment and alignment engineering failure with a simple rule, don't ship it, while rejecting new regulation and calling doomer predictions from Geoffrey Hinton and others harmful. They also cover intelligence as perception, reasoning and planning, recursive self improvement, the shift from retrieval to generative AI factories, the bubble question, chip exports to China, the energy crunch, and three books that shaped Huang.

AIHardwareBusinessSep 23, 2026
1:31:01
The Ezra Klein Show

The More You Study Consciousness, the Weirder It Gets | The Ezra Klein Show

Ezra Klein talks with the science writer Michael Pollan about his new book, A World Appears, the record of five years touring the science of consciousness. They walk the whole arc: a beeper experiment that catches the banality of inner experience, William James and the stream of consciousness, anesthetized plants and plant neurobiology, the evolutionary case that consciousness handles uncertainty too complex to automate, Alison Gopnik's lantern versus spotlight consciousness, and the discovery that feeling lives in the body. The conversation moves to a brain scan showing a thought firing four seconds before awareness, global workspace theory, the creative power of the wandering mind, and then the far edges, idealism and panpsychism and the brain as a radio receiver rather than a generator. It closes on a Copernican redefinition of the human, squeezed between conscious animals and seemingly conscious machines, on attention as a contested collective resource, and on wonder and the don't know mind rather than any answer.

PhilosophyScienceHealthMar 31, 2026