1:52:23Did Jung and Tolkien Enter the Same World?
Becca Tarnas, assistant professor at the California Institute of Integral Studies, spent a doctorate on a coincidence she could not shake: Carl Jung's Red Book and J.R.R. Tolkien's earliest Middle-earth writings were begun in the same years, illustrated in a startlingly similar hand, and populated by the same figures, a wise old guide (Philemon and Gandalf) and a red eye of evil (the Eye of the Evil One and the Eye of Sauron). Neither man knew the other's work, and both insisted the material was found rather than made. From that puzzle the conversation opens into active imagination as a practice, the exact protocol Tarnas uses to guide workshops into it, whether archetypes are patterns or agents, the difference between psyche and mind, and the line between gnosis and psychosis. It closes on Toni Wolff's role as Jung's thread out of the labyrinth, motherhood as the most profound expanded state Tarnas has entered, and a Leonardo da Vinci passage on shadow that arrived, uninvited, minutes before the interview.

